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    ron423 is offline New User
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    Hi, I am anodizingicon titanium parts for mounting mobile radios in a console. The components vary in size from small 4 x 4 inches to larger pieces 12” x 19”. The color I am hoping to achieve is grey. I have been successful with smaller pieces, but when I try larger ones I have encountered some problems. I am using a 10 amp variac with a 100 amp rectifiericon. I have a 20 amp ammeter in line with the anode. For a cathode I have a piece of copper (I have also tried one of stainless and one of aluminum) bent at a right angle immersed in my laundry tub which covers 2 of the 4 sides of the tub. I hang the parts from a titanium hook in the center of the tub. I work at room temperature with de-ionized or distilled water.

    On small parts I set the voltage to 100 volts DC. I am using a solution of de-ionized water and ½% TSP (I tried higher TSP solutions, 2 to 3% and I immediately blow fuses when I turn it on) . When I turn on the power, I get an initial current surge up to 12 to 15 amps, it quickly subsides below 10 and gradually, after 90 seconds down to 1 amp or less. As the current draw drops the DC voltage increases to about 115 volts. Sometimes I try and keep the voltage around 100 volts by adjusting the variac as the current falls. This does not seem to vary the results.

    My problem is with my larger panel fronts which are 19” wide and up to 12” high. When I try and anodizeicon these, the current goes way up (almost 20 amps) and stays quite high for 10 minutes or more. While the current does drop off to 1 or 2 amps, it takes much longer to get there. Also, I must set the variac to about 60 to 70 volts DC output when I start and gradually turn the voltage up to 100 volts DC (or I blow fuses). My larger parts are close to the cathode (within an inch or two of the cathode when immersed in the tub.

    My questions are:

    Are my large parts too close to the cathode? Is distance a factor? If so, what is the minimum?
    If the parts were further away front the cathode, could I (do I need to) use a higher TSP solution 3% perhaps to achieve the appropriate end result.
    Does my cathode need to be on all 4 sides of the tub?
    Do I need a VARIAC at all? If I am running at 100 volts anyway, Can I just use line voltage to my rectifiericon? Many times I run the variac wide open which is the same as not having it at all. My concern is that the VARIACS I have found all are rated about 10 to 12 amps. I draw close to 20 amps on larger parts and I am concerned that the VARIAC will fail in long term use. Lower voltages seem to be for different colors which I am not looking to do.
    How long do I continue the process? 2 minutes seems OK for small parts. I monitor the current draw and on large parts, after 15 minutes, they are still drawing 1 to 2 amps. Small parts drop off quickly to less than ½ an amp after 90 seconds or so.
    Does it make a difference in Cathode Material? Aluminum, Copper, Stainless? Should it cover all four vertical sides of the tub.

    Any help or guidance would be appreciated.

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    Fibergeek is offline Metal Finishing Guru
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    I've never anodized titanium, but I do know a little about electricity and how it behaves in an electrolyte, I can probably be of assistance with your electrical issues.

    I did a quick search on anodizingicon titanium, I couldn't find much of any technical value. What little I did find prompts these questions:

    1. "The color is determined by the voltage"; assuming that is what's actually going on, I didn't see grey as a listed color. Grey is the natural color of the native oxide that will form on titanium in time.

    2. "80V" colors the titanium purple, and the color range seems to stop there, how did you arrive at 100V?

    3. Assuming 1. is true, there are going to be some serious electrical difficulties anodizingicon large surface areas of titanium. The electrical power required will be huge. All of the titanium anodizing stuff I found involved small pieces; jewelry, guitar picks, knife handles, things of that size. The power required isn't large.

    4. How do you know that you actually anodized the titanium? An anodized film on titanium will be much thinner than an anodized film on aluminum. If you put an ohm meter across a DRY anodized surface; on aluminum the film will be an insulator, on titanium the measured resistance will be much lower, but still significantly higher than bare titanium. If you can't see a change in resistance before and after anodizing (be sure its dry first) you may have only etched the surface of the titanium and there is no film at all.

    Anyway, you see how little I know about anodizing titanium. Let's get to the electrical issues.

    What you describe with your larger pieces are the classic symptoms of butting heads with Ohm's Law, V=IxR.

    The resistance in your case (R) is the resistance of your electrolyte (TSP in water) the resistance of the cathode, and the resistance of the titanium work (the anode). The resistance of the cathode and the work gets lower as these get larger; there is more in contact with the electrolyte as they get larger, its inversely proportional to surface area. As an anodic film forms on the work, the resistance of the work increases, this is why the current is very high at first and drops with time. Assuming you aren't overloading your power supply first.

    V=IxR can be re-arranged to I=V/R. As you can see, the current goes up as the voltage goes up if the resistance is the same. When you started at a lower voltage, and then increased it after some resistance formed (the anodizeicon) you were able to keep the current down to a level that your power supply could handle. This is called "ramping" in aluminum anodizing.

    Back to 1. again. It's more likely that not the voltage but the current density and anodizing time control the color in titanium anodizing. In all things electrical, current does the work. Voltage only serves to overcome the resistance so that the desired current can flow. An anodic layer is formed by current, not voltage. If you were anodizing titanium wire, which will have small surface areas, and if they're all about the same size, its easy to see how one could think that its voltage that controls the color.

    I need to find the current density range for anodizing titanium (not the voltage). If we knew this, you could get better results by controlling the current, and anodizing for a much longer time at much lower power levels.

    Your specific electrical questions:

    Cathode distance is a factor, but not the major one. Increasing it improves the uniformity of the anodic film.
    The cathode surface area should be the equal or larger than the surface area of the work, larger doesn't hurt. It doesn't need to be on all tank surfaces.
    You need better voltage and current control, not less of it. A Variac will only reduce the voltage and current, it has no capability to regulate it. Your going to need a real power supply to get any consistency in your results.
    Your process time is very short because your current density is very high, this is why I need the anodization curves for titanium. If you anodizeicon for longer times at lower current (and voltage) this will solve your power supply problems, and eliminate the lethal voltage hazard you face with 100V in a laundry tub, at 100 times the current required to kill a man. BTW, its current that kills, not voltage. You need enough voltage to make the current flow through a vital organ and the game is over.
    From what I can gather, stainless steel is what you should be using as a cathode material.

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    I don't know much about the subject either. When I tried small wire I got a darker blue @ 30 volts in anodiziong electrolyte , and I didn't check the amps. It may have drawn so little ( for a few inches of .06" wire) the the resolution on my power supply would have been too poor to get an idea.

    The racks (more surface area) don't anodizeicon the same colors at the same voltage, so maybe the current density is what determines color.


    Here's the only Ti anodizingicon link I found on my computer.

    http://mrtitanium.com/anodizing.html

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    Hey guys, check out:
    http://www.valhallaarms.com/wyvern/t.../anodizing.htm

    I don't have any experience at anodizingicon titanium either but I had this link on my computer.

    Some shades of grey can be achieved at 0-15 volts but it looks like some shades of grey would take about 125 volts or more.

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    According to:
    http://www.knifenetwork.com/workshop...r_warner.shtml

    You should start at 0V and work your way up to the voltage/color you desire. Gray is the natural color of titanium so the voltage is very low according to:
    http://www.valhallaarms.com/wyvern/t.../anodizing.htm

    The above posts handled the voltage current issue, but starting at 0V and working your way up will definately help too.

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