i don't use black /sisal any more ... i use black on a sprial and i get a better cut and a quicker shine .. i found that the sisal dose tear up the metal and they are great for removing blue from chrome pipes ... but give the black on a sprial a shot .. i am sure you will like the out come you see . i do the cut and i color pass after i get a nice cut.. then i follow it up with brown/sprial green/cotton or a sprial then to bing out the shine i it it with white on loose cotton and if you want to get a mirror finish hit it with red on loose cotton


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