Helpful Tip : FISH EYES OR WHATEVER

[stevedwnng]

I've come to realize that my spray booth is actually too big for the parts I usually do. It's too big of an open space so whatever is floating around in the air gets into the spray booth due to it being wide open in the front. Its not a walk in type booth so using a shower curtain as a door isn't an option. I'm in the process of making a smaller one that's also deeper, making it harder for floating dust to fall into. I work in my basement and I have to do everything in the same space. So just from blowing off parts creates dust no matter how much I clean. I did install a plastic separator between the coating area and my sandblast cabinet. The new booth is actually a refrigerator that I gutted out. I'm going to line the inside with filters and use my fan from the original booth. I'm hoping the fan will be even more effective since it will be in a much smaller area. I'm trying to find some info on the "deflector ring". I read somewhere that some people use a grounded metal plate mounted behind the part to catch any excess static helping eliminate back ionization. Does anyone know anything about this?

[stevedwnng]

Here are some pics

This is the old refrigerator that I'm converting into a spray booth.

This is my current booth. Too big of a wide open space. And clean up is a major pain. I want to put a tray in the bottom of the new booth that will slide in and out that will collect any powder that falls. The inside will be lined with filters and I'm wondering if the suction fan should be mounted on the back or the top. If I turn it around it will push air instead of suck kinda the way a downdraft paint booth works. The top will have a grounded swivel that will rotate 360 degrees. You guys have any tips or tricks that have worked for out well for you? They would be greatly appreciated. I'll take any info you guys may have. Thanks.

[yzviper]

I lined the inside walls and ceiling with a smooth white paneling from Home Depot - $13 for a 4x8 sheet. Super easy to wipe down.

I then mounted a 4x4 through the top of my booth about a foot long. I took the wheel off of a caster wheel I had laying around and screwed that into the bottom of the 4x4 and attached my grounding wire through the ceiling to the caster. Then took a 2"x30" piece of pipe and bolted it through the caster holes. Grounded 360 swivel that can hold my 200# body weight.

I put my box fan on the side of the booth. My old installation had the fan directly in line with shooting. The furnace filters clog up pretty fast and become useless. So I put it down low on the side out of the direct spray path. It now creates an airflow out of the booth and the majority of the powder just falls to the floor. When the day is done, I pull the furnace filter and suck out the powder with the dust collector. I then sweep up the floor with the shop-vac mounted dust collector. I have very little problems with powder in the air now.

[SolutionsAutomobile]

I have this orange peel problem, the higher the smoothness its supposed to be , the worst the orange peel is.

this is mirror white from pbtp, also did the same with mirror black few months ago.
This white was shot with a new gun hypersmooth 02 and dedicated ground etc. There is no ground issues anymore, the gun works flawlessly.


So, do you think it is related to the way I shot it (too thick/thin) or could water in the air line cause this?

The only OP free parts ive done are satin black wipers and various brackets. Most gloss get OP but in different amount. This one is innacceptible.

Id like to know what the problem is. I should be able to get results like this one with my gun : Team Putters - Caswell Inc Photo Gallery

Application or Air issues?

[SCOTTRODS]

Originally Posted by SolutionsAutomobile

I have this orange peel problem, the higher the smoothness its supposed to be , the worst the orange peel is.

this is mirror white from pbtp, also did the same with mirror black few months ago.
This white was shot with a new gun hypersmooth 02 and dedicated ground etc. There is no ground issues anymore, the gun works flawlessly.

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So, do you think it is related to the way I shot it (too thick/thin) or could water in the air line cause this?

The only OP free parts ive done are satin black wipers and various brackets. Most gloss get OP but in different amount. This one is innacceptible.

Id like to know what the problem is. I should be able to get results like this one with my gun : Team Putters - Caswell Inc Photo Gallery

Application or Air issues?

The issue could be application or Cure. Looks like too light of a coat to me from that pic. But you can cause similar issues from too fast ramp up to temp. or in some cases too slow. I've had both cause worse OP with different powders too.

Also note: Large flat areas are way more prone to the OP issues anyway, so the wiper arms will inherently come out better even if the coat is too thin or too thick, generally. The more compund or rounded the part, the smoother the flow out and the less OP.

[SolutionsAutomobile]

I preheated oven before putting it in. Would humid air cause this? I dont have a big expensive air drier to go with my compressor. Ive always thought OP is application and cure related, and not to dryness of air.

This part I put it in preheated oven, I normally put my stuff in cold oven, but tried to same time by preheating while coating.

And now the 100$ question. Best way to save it? I did save some op by wetsand and recoating over it. This part will need a clear, can I do just like liquid paint and wet sand and shoot only th clear over? never tried that.

I want consistency in my work... thank or your inputs

[Harleydad]

Originally Posted by SolutionsAutomobile

I preheated oven before putting it in. Would humid air cause this? I dont have a big expensive air drier to go with my compressor. Ive always thought OP is application and cure related, and not to dryness of air.

This part I put it in preheated oven, I normally put my stuff in cold oven, but tried to same time by preheating while coating.

And now the 100$ question. Best way to save it? I did save some op by wetsand and recoating over it. This part will need a clear, can I do just like liquid paint and wet sand and shoot only th clear over? never tried that.

I want consistency in my work... thank or your inputs

Humid air can cause application problems, which I think this is. You can sand that smooth and shoot another coat of white or apply a clear as long as you don't sand through.
How was that part prepped?

[SolutionsAutomobile]

It was sandblasted to remove all the old paint. Its a turntable top, so i wasnt greasy. Then once everything was on bare metal, I gave it another full blasting just in case. I always overblast my parts to make sure.

The powder went on perfectly, thank to a new gun, it looked like it was going to be perfect then stopped smoothering out and stay this way.

I did find a bit of water in my compressor tank. I could understand humid air causing the powder not to stick, but it stuck perfectly. But the powder flowed out very quickly since the oven was hot before putting it in.

This powder has a cure schedule of 400F for 10 mins. My prime suspect right now would be the fast rampup of temperature. But im still learning.

[Harleydad]

What media and grit are you blasting with? Could also be combination of blast profile and not enough mil thickness.

[SolutionsAutomobile]

I use 80-100. Gives such a great bite that my commercial blaster has a hard time blasting my powder off my parts. I dont have a mil gauge but I work in electronic and can tell than PRIOR to cure they was a good 25mil of powder


Ive been wanting to get/build a airdryer ever since I got my big compressor. I try to drain my tank, but theres always water. Water trap is not catching much.

I dont want to install another power outlet to run a electric dryer. I dont have a lot of place left. But I want to try the copper pipe coil in icy water when I get a bit of time off.:razz