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    Hi all,

    I was hoping someone could help me with my first buffing project. I have experience in body and paint as well as detailing but this is my first metal finishing project. I've worked with some small pieces to practice on prior to this including gold plate, copper, stainless steel and plastic.

    I've been charged with repairing and polishing the front grill from a 1969 Chev half ton. Big first project! Too big! This item has all kinds of angles and creases but the total surface area isn't huge. It was coated (painted), pitted (stone chips) and even welded in one place.

    First, does anyone have any info on this part? It appeared to have been painted so I have to assume that maybe it isn't a great grade of aluminum or maybe it was never meant to be polished.

    I've wound up hand sanding most of it but I stopped to do a test on a section before I proceed. I sanded one section(rail) of the grill from 120 (to remove deep pits) up to 2000 grit and used wet sanding from 320 - 2000. I wanted to buff it to completion so I knew what to expect on the rest of the part before making a mistake that would affect the entire piece.

    I spun a spiral wheel (6") on my 3800RPM grinder (with caswell adapter) with black emery. To my joy most of the sanding scratches were gone but I was left with the white haze. I was real happy with this pass though because I was able to dig into the part hard with a lot of pressure and it brought it up to a real nice shine, even with the haze.

    Trying to clean the part with mineral spirits left a little more haze from the rag I was using too. Does anyone have a recommendation for cleaning rag and solution between compounds?

    I moved on to the white compound on a 6" loose cotton and to my horror it was worse. I had two problems here. The first is more white haze. Not sure what that is. The second problem was having a buildup of spots which I may be able to elaborate on below.

    Thinking that maybe I missed a step I moved backward to brown tripoli on a 6" loose cotton wheel - which was the only wheel I had left. It was used for red rouge but I figured there probably wouldn't be any harm moving to a coarser grit as long as I never intended to use it for rouge again.

    Here's where the fun began....big gouges. I thought it was just compound residue but nope, the surface had been scarred. It looked like a meteorite streaking through the sky....something like a pit with a tail on it. The compound wiped off but the pit and tail remained. From what I understand this may occur on soft, poor grade aluminum, is that correct? Maybe too much compound or too much pressure causing the metal to roll up. The surface looked terrible and even black emery wouldn't bring it back.

    I had to sand those marks out again and this time I went back to white but I still got some of those pitting marks. Same when I backtracked to brown. I was real careful to rake every 30 seconds or so too.

    So I am wondering, 1) is my assumption correct that this is a soft grade of aluminum never meant to be polished, 2) do spiral sewn wheels work better than loose on these softer grades, 3) do I need to stop at black emery, and 4) how to get rid of that darn white haze....

    Thanks!


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    Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

    kromalum,

    1) is my assumption correct that this is a soft grade of aluminum never meant to be polished,

    Any metal can be polished, it just depends on what you want the finished product to look like. When you buff the pressure you apply and the temperature of the metal are your best ally.

    2) do spiral sewn wheels work better than loose on these softer grades,

    Spiral wheels should be used for your initial buffings then finish with a loose buff and white. I would start with emery, stainless, tripoli, and then white. You may be able to eliminate the stainless buffing step depends on what your piece looks like after you buff with the other compounds.

    3) do I need to stop at black emery.

    That depends on what your aluminum looks like. I would try tripoli and see if that increases the shine, then white / loose.

    4) how to get rid of that darn white haze....

    The white haze will in all likelyhood be eliminated with the correct pressure, temperature, and the compound you use on the aluminum. Thats a trial and error process.

    It sounds like your aluminum piece is cast. In order to get that mirror shine you have to remove all the pits. If they are real deep and not sanded properly then you will leave divits in the aluminum.

    I would seriously study your piece and see if the pits will come out without leaving divits in the aluminum.

    Another option I would consider would be to have it powder coated with copy chrome.

    John

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    • #3
      Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

      First off, are you sure it's aluminum? I would think that it might be potmetal, put a drop of muratic acid on the back of it and see if it fizzes, if it does it's potmetal and will not hold a shine long and will corrode unless you have it plated.
      If it's aluminum I don't sand each grit at a 45 to 90 deg angle from the last pass. I wouldn't go over 400 wet, waste of time. Your time is better spent on making sure all the scatches are gone before moving up to the next grit size.
      Then go to black on a spiral sewn, 90% of your time will be spent here. Use a little compound and apply it often and rake the wheel when it looks glazed with alum. You should be able to get a near mirror shine with this. Then try loose/white use lighter pressure and move slower to keep the heat up. Sometimes you will need tripoli on a spiral in between the black and white.
      Pits happen, there is no way around them but to sand and polish again.
      Finish up with a good paste wax or zoop seal it, better yet have it chrome plated somewhere (you just knocked off half the cost polishing it yourself).
      GOOD LUCK

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      • #4
        Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

        In my experience there are indeed grades of aluminum (assuming your grill is aluminum) which will not take a show polish. Of course some will suggest that my skill is at fault, but on a recent piece (a large kart sprocket), the aluminum surface was so soft that merely the act of cleaning it between compounds left scratches, and I tried everything from paper towels to cotton to microfiber cloths. (BTW, most any solvent works fine.)

        I went through at least 6 or eight procedures, as you did, going back a few grades of compound, different wheels up to and including canton flannel. Made no difference. From some angles of course the sprocket looked like a glass mirror, but turn it under the worklight and the haze and scratches remained.

        Luckily my customer was still very pleased (after all it was only a sprocket, and I did it for cheap) but this was one of those times I didn't feel real good about sending a piece out.

        Anyhow, I don't have an answer for you except to say that you'll know when you've put more time into it than it's worth. As a last resort, take it to a pro and see what he can do on a test area. Beyond that you might want to do the powdercoat or paint thing.

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        • #5
          Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

          Hey guys,

          Good suggestions. I did some testing again today and had similar results. I wish I had some experience on real aluminum so I knew what this part was made out of. It is moderately thin but very light. It is also brittle and shows evidence of being welded in 3 spots that I've seen. One on the front where the weld matches the metal color pretty good, and two spots on the back where it looks more like a burnt mark - lousy weld.

          Sanding 90 degrees on this piece didn't work either as I've discovered. Scratches of each grit were too hard to remove, and because there are fine details and even some lettering I don't want to risk sanding deep. Although I have already and that's how I know that! Also buffing at 90 degrees to the scratches or switching buffing angels didn't help. So far the best is buffing with the sanding marks. The areas are too small to work at 90 degrees even if it helped.

          I worked down a rough area today with the spiral/emery and was moderately pleased. It is much more shiney but still has those streaks and haze. I too have had problems cleaning this thing in between coats because everything I've used scratches. I did find something that seems to work today. Soap and water on an old terry cloth towel. The towel with mineral spirits did not work, but for some reason the water as lubricant seems to not leave the streaks in between steps.

          Unfortunately the white on loose cotton did the same thing, make it worse. I had experimented in the past with different pressures but today I went for the feather light touch thinking I'd have it figured out but I got the same result overall. For fun I tried a piece of copper pipe using the same technique and the whit did seem to help, but on an area that small it is really tough to tell.

          I"m going to see if I can get a photo posted from yesterday's work.

          PS. I'm waxing at the end of each day to try and help preserve the shine until I can get the whole part finished and then clear coated. I assume that's a good idea?

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          • #6
            Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

            Originally posted by kromalum
            PS. I'm waxing at the end of each day to try and help preserve the shine until I can get the whole part finished and then clear coated. I assume that's a good idea?
            No need to wax, IMO. It's not gonna change overnight.

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            • #7
              Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

              i could be mistaken but from reading the results you have and the responses i feel that you may have a grill that is either pot metal or possiblly magnesium. this would explain all the problems.
              when in doubt polish it out/ why replace it when you can refinish it
              G2 Polishing and Powdercoating

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              • #8
                Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

                Hey pickle did you get my P.M. or are you ignoring me...?

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                • #9
                  Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

                  Hey all,

                  Sorry for not getting the pics up, been having computer problems.

                  I wonder if it is potmetal now. Anyone know what that muratic acid is or where I can get some? Would there happen to be a common test I could use to find out if it is potmetal? I'm in a small town so it is sometimes hard to get products.....

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                  • #10
                    Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

                    Originally posted by mpierich
                    Hey pickle did you get my P.M. or are you ignoring me...?
                    hey bro i just read it my message alert did not let me know it was there.
                    i agree with your ideas that some alum. will not take a mirror polish. some of the alum. on the market today is recycled so much that it is junk and has no better properties than pot metal. as for your sprocket project i cant say as i have ever experienced an alloy that touchy when it comes to scratches, and still be durable enough to be a drive sprocket. that is a strange one bro.
                    when in doubt polish it out/ why replace it when you can refinish it
                    G2 Polishing and Powdercoating

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                    • #11
                      Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

                      Well pickle, my theory is (and I might be way off) that aluminum can be tempered and annealed just like steel (different methods tho).

                      Something that takes the abuse of a sprocket has to be tough, not brittle. Tough metal is not necessarily hard, just strong. Therefore, the surface will be softer than some other grades.

                      Or else I have no clue how to polish anything. All I know is that thing gave me fits.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

                        Originally posted by mpierich
                        Or else I have no clue how to polish anything. All I know is that thing gave me fits.
                        well bro i have seen other work you have posted on the old site and this sure is not the case i think you just run into a bear of a piece to work on. as for your theory i would say it sounds logical. i have seen steel before that is soft on the surface as far as scratching but tensile is high, and seen low tensile that is case hardened that a file wont hardly scratch but its soft inside. so it follows that the same could be true of aluminum.
                        when in doubt polish it out/ why replace it when you can refinish it
                        G2 Polishing and Powdercoating

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                        • #13
                          Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

                          Muriatic acid is dulite hydrochloric acid. You can buy it in any pool supply house, as concrete cleaner.
                          --
                          Mike Caswell
                          Caswell Inc
                          http://www.caswellplating.com
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                          • #14
                            Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

                            Originally posted by caswell
                            Muriatic acid is dulite hydrochloric acid. You can buy it in any pool supply house, as concrete cleaner.
                            Also used in construction for cleaning brick, etc. Any builder's supply should have it, or maybe even the local hardware.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Aluminum Anomaly / buffing haze

                              Great. I'll take a look for some today and report back. I do have a small quantity of unknown acid we used to clean windows in an automatic carwash but without knowing then I'm just shooting at the wind. I tried it, it didn't fizz but it looked like soap. I don't know the shelf life on that stuff either so I'll get some new stuff today.

                              Overall the piece has been really annoying! I need that bit of satisfaction I get from shiney things right about now....

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