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  • Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

    If you dont know what a Babbington is then read on...

    Patent 3,425,058 - Robert S. Babington, Inventor

    "The Army tried for a long time to get this to work, but when the Marine Corps took the lead on the program, they discovered a new piece of technology called the Babington Airtronic Burner."

    Conventional high-powered burners shoot air and fuel through a nozzle, which gets clogged. This burner uses the principle of the whale. when a whale sprays a plume of water, it is not spitting water, but air.

    There is a thin film of water that forms over the hole and when the air blows out, it atomizes the water, making it look like a spray.

    The Babington uses the same principle, It is a sphere with a little hole in it.

    Fuel runs over the top of the sphere and air is pushed through the hole. When fuel flows over the hole it is atomized and sprayed into the chamber for complete combustion.

    This technology enables the burner to achieve a temperature of 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. But because the burner produces such high heat, there are no emissions.


    FYI:

    I found a few pics online and will attach them..., But just looking at this thing it burns everything from cooking oil to waste oil in automobile engines... also read that even if it has a 20% water in the fuel that it will still burn and eventually vaporize all of the water with the extreme heat it creates..

    Would LOVE to see if anyone has a waste-oil fires PC oven and how they went about doing it IF there is anyone here

    Rob
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    Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

    Rob, I took a stab at this question a month or so ago but no one had any input. I have been doing some more research on my own. The common burner used for this is a Beckett Burner they can be picked up on ebay for under $100 delivered and could possibly be picked up cheaper locally. These are a really cool setup and could be made much safer than propane torpedo heaters.

    Here is the part I can?t find much info on. To make these much safer and for oven use the flame needs to be contained and the heat captured by a heat exchanger of some type. Do a search for "Magic Heat" they have a heat exchanger that mounts in a wood or gas stove flue pipe and captures the lost heat that flows up the pipe. This system would need this type of exchanger that could with stand +500F temps. The flame and heat from the burner could then be routed through the exchanger with a blower that blows the heat into the oven.

    Does anyone here have a manufactured oven that has a gas burner? If so can you get pics of the heat exchanger and how it?s made?

    I am currently building an oven using an old parking garage booth I picked up at the local scrap yard. I bought two of these one is 6'x5'x7' and the other is 7'x4'x7'. I will have to shorten these to 6' tall because of height of my garage ceiling. I?m still deciding on which one to use for the oven. The other one will be converted to a powder spray booth. Which one do ya'll think will be best for the oven?

    The plan is to make the oven electric then tinker with the beckett burner idea and see how well it works. Anyone here have any other ideas for a heat exchanger?

    Jason
    Auto-Cycle Powder Coating
    Chattanooga, TN (The BIG T)

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      Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

      edit - (double Post?)

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        Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

        Heat exchanger as in a pipe in a pipe with say the inner one being stainless steel and between the layers is where the heat generated is removed?

        Couldnt you do that with the babbington and add a fan system to circulate the heat made between these layers?, Maybe a strong fan at one end and a screen at the other..

        The output I would think is incredible and the fuel saving would make the thing pay for itself once built..

        In the above pics the guy built one with a 2' or 3' black iron pipe, But what if this spanned the width of your oven at the bottom from one side to the other with the double layer pipe and fan setup..

        Just my mind grinding again.. ignore the "whirring" noise... lol

        Rob
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          Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

          Added a picture of the babington ball. - Controlling the flame is as simple as shutting off the pump that pours the oil over the ball itself..., Connect that setup to a thermostat and your ready to ROCK...
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            Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

            Rob there is a yahoo group search for "alternate feuls" tons of info on this subject. Did you check out the magic heat? it is a metal box with 10-20 round tubes welded horizontally in the box. The heat from the stove pipe travels vertically around the tubes and heats them the blower is mounted in the back and blows through the tubes. This could work the way you refered to make a long 6" stainless pipe then drill and weld several 1" tubes across it. Then contain the force of the blower blowing over an through the tubes into the oven. The exaust the exits already cooled through an outside vent pipe like a hot water heater vent.

            Jason

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            • #7
              Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

              Ahh I remember that.. yes.. seen one!

              Bet it could be layed flat and used the same way IN an oven ya think??

              So many ideas and ways you can go.. So little time.. lol

              Hey I have a ? on PC, But I'll start another post for it..
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              • #8
                Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

                Check out the Beckett burners. They are a fuel oil burner converted to waste oil. They already have have the ignitor, pumps and safety devices needed. Works on the same principle as a babington only uses a tube instead of a ball. For $100-200 you should be able to build one of these to heat a PC oven.

                Jason

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                • #9
                  Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

                  Had one in my hands today at the Junkyard.. Poor thing was ran over by the forklift tho... UGHH!!, But I will keep my eyes open.. (I answer the phone there sometimes and see everything that comes in..)

                  Got this yesterday for the Fiero convertible project.., The complete roof area from a convert Sunbird.. and only a day later the header is almost installed.. (in this pic its just the header part of the roof sitting on the top of my windshield for a test-fit after just getting home)



                  I want to get the convertibles framework all done then powdercoat the parts in silver/black VIEN aka "hammered" just before the upholstery is made because they will be partially visible from sitting inside the car...

                  I know.. WHO in GODS NAME wants a Fiero convertible??

                  Rob
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                    Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

                    Originally posted by BerkelUSA
                    I know.. WHO in GODS NAME wants a Fiero convertible??

                    Rob
                    Who cares as long as its fast!!!!!!!



                    Jason

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                    • #11
                      Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

                      That's true F A S T.. - The 4.9 North Star 32-Valve V8 Caddy engine FITS!, But I'm thinking more around the 3800 Supercharged V6 as it is also a bolt-in

                      This is part of the sub-frame made to go under the car to relieve any stress that was added when removing the roof..

                      Of course it will also be powder-coated in the hammered color (as it will be a fully removable X-member)



                      Rob
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                        Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

                        Be careful with the 4.9 Caddy engines they have a problem with the alum. block cracking around the rear main seal the result is an oil leak you can't stop. I know this from experience seen several come through the shop with the same problem. I've never driven a Fiero maybe i will have to get my tail out of Tenn. and come take that thing for a spin when you get it built. That is as long as its warm there .

                        Keep me posted on the Beckett burners I would love to get my hands on a good one at a reasonable price just hate to deal with the ebay games.

                        Any input from a shop with a real gas PC oven would be great.

                        Jason

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                        • #13
                          Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

                          Here are pics of the booths one will be a pc booth and the other a oven. The bad part about them is I have to shorten thm because of ceiling height in my basement. Still trying to decide which will be thebest suited size for the oven. These are metal booths inside and out with insulated walls. I will remove the windows from the booth I am using for a oven and fill with insulation and sheet metal. This will be the first project for the PA Blaster.

                          Jason
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                            Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

                            Man haven't been here in ages and this post still survives!.. the Fiero has come a long way and summer 08' should be a great one for TOYS!.. whats going on man!
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                              Re: Could a home-brew Babington Waste Oil Burner be used to fire a PC Oven?

                              Thanks Berkel USA to have bring back this post...I read it with interest and curiosity !!!!!I was planning a propane oven but this Babington heater is, in my opinion, a wonderfull solution...Hope that you will received new post on this heater. Can you post pictures of the fiero ?

                              Andre

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